Sounds like we are both finding this bizarre and trying. You literally said season ticket prices are too low and "must rise"? They didn't. You were wrong. Try again. And maybe stop being quite so patronising.
We were talking about season tickets.
Ok. So what's your analysis of the recent decision then?
"Prices are too low and must rise".
Looks like we did get there in the end. Thankfully not how you hoped.
Honestly, pal. This is painful. Maybe just take one of my many friendly offers for us to leave it? I've no desire to be rude, but I can't waste any more life on this so I'm leaving it there for this one regardless of whatever you decide to throw at me next time!
Yes, I'm aware you weren't talking about the environment. And given you're clearly a total expert you'll be aware of the regular warnings about the future of the club with respect to ownership change. Sustainability with fatal caveats. Ticket rises a drop in the ocean in those calculations.
Sustainable!? The worst word you could possibly use to make your argument. My enthusiasm for the chat is certainly punctured. Hopefully that's pleasing. Might be worth having a quick poke at your own certainty, too. All the best.
I have demonstrated how decisions can be made for reasons other than maximising revenue. But I can't be the only one getting bored of this discussion. We aren't going to agree.
And I don't think we can do this forever, but I'm fairly sure normal businesses exist to make profit.
I charge my substack subscriptions at the lowest possible cost the platform allows with further very significant discounts if not paying monthly. These charges are vastly cheaper than my worth on the market. This isn't the killer argument you think.
If you can't see how the "laws of business" are suspended in PL football there really isn't anything else for us to say. Off out with my son. Have a good one.
Can't tell if you're wilfully ignoring the obvious differences between the finances of Tesco and a Premier League football team or not. But we are going nowhere so probably best to leave it. Have a good Sunday.
I don't get why you do accept it, frankly. You're trapped in a prism of consumerism and orthodox economics that damage society and the game and you don't need to be. Football has minimal relevance to any normal business. If you prefer it there, fine. But I don't. You don't need to agree
I don't accept your premise that supply and demand has to be a definitive rule of how this works. I'd imagine you would say a general rule of business would be to make profit?
Why are you so obsessed with the market? Is there actually any reason it needs to apply here? Nothing about Forest follows the other orthodoxy that fits your narrative. And if you read the piece it would answer your first question. Have you?
Have you seen the accounts? No business runs like this. They die. It's absolutely not a normal business. Normal businesses have to make profit. Football clubs don't. And almost never do. Regulation means reducing certain types of losses. Very different. Disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
Why? Business orthodoxy doesn't need to apply.
An important read, free for all now:
Why ticket price rises being considered are unconscionable and how #NFFC can break the status quo of the big clubs while being a moral champion and carrying the legacy of the Rebel City.
Bang on. Well said.
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An important read, free for all now:
Why ticket price rises being considered are unconscionable and how #NFFC can break the status quo of the big clubs while being a moral champion and carrying the legacy of the Rebel City.
The threat of relegation looms large - even for those of us who still believe. A sleepless night after Brighton left me pondering what football really means and the moments that matter.
Eternally grateful to all those who support and subscribe.
#NFFC
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The threat of relegation looms large - even for those of us who still believe. A sleepless night after Brighton left me pondering what football really means and the moments that matter.
Eternally grateful to all those who support and subscribe.
#NFFC
shorturl.at/SZXn9
Hahaha. I dread to think what I was saying. Imagine I will do about now in 20 years. Life just cracks on!
Glorious!
Haha. No offence taken at all. I did post a bit on LTLF probably that sort of time ago, yep. Not sure I was enormously prolific, but I'd be stretching the truth if I could remember that well!
An emotional finale to my three-part Brian Laws interview:
○ FA Cup final snub: “I was angry” and Clough disappeared
○ The brutality of the back-pass rule
○ Life at #NFFC as the Clough empire fell
○ A family love story with Nottingham
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Part one available, too. Features Laws telling Brian Clough to "fuck off" - and also includes:
◉ The secrets to that #NFFC side's success,
◉ How Forest would have made waves across Europe again were it not for Heysel
◉ Old Big 'ead the father figure.
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