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Yeah…I don’t recommend going through the thread lol. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss 😅

I think that’s kinda the point about why the thread is so disheartening? Like. A lot of names mentioned in it are pioneers in their fields. Or part of a literary canon that is the foundation of majority of the work we have. From Agatha Christie, to Disney. Some even mentioned Tolkien.

Unfortunately, I think with things like this, you really just have to rest. I know it's hard since this is your employment but if you can find anyway to keep of that wrist, that's really it.

sadly, the more you try to work through it, the worse it will get...

For sure! but that's just white privilege. I don't think it's necessarily wrong to point out how it won't save you here.

But you are correct. The world will always take things more seriously when it happens to a white person 🙄

Definitely, sadly there's still people out there who try to excuse what's happening with "Oh those detainees were just here illegally! If they followed that law they would be fine"

I think articles like this are there to show that's not the case. It doesn't matter.

I mean if you read the article. The “nobody is safe quote” comes from the Irish victim who did everything in his power to follow legal procedures and literally couldn’t leave because of a medical emergency and he was still detained for months.

He literally means “nobody is safe”

I dunno I think it’s more people take action in waves. I get weeks where I’m fully tuned in and online about all that’s happening in the world and then weeks when I just can’t. It starts messing me up and I need to step back. It could be the people you’re around might be in the second stage.

Right but unless I'm missing something here, Neil is condemning a specific action made by Hamas, and not Palestine or the Palestinian people.

Could he do more to condemn the Israel? Absolutely, most of us could, but I also don't think he's a Zionist.

I hate this stupid article because all it is, is literally one person's interpretation of the game based on their own biases and a couple misinterpretations of quotes from Neil.

I truly don't understand why people keep using it as an example of canon when it doesn't involve any of the creators.

Except people want Joel to be a hero SO BAD they actively refuse to see the other perspective even when the game, and it's creator try to hammer it in time and time again.

Joel isn't a hero, but we can understand him because we would do the same in his shoes. Doesn't make him good!

It's a moral dilemma!

Neither party is "good"

One wants to sacrifice a child to cure humanity

The other goes on a murder spree and prevents the creation of a cure against the child's wishes, BUT saves the child

Neither action is good, but we can understand both perspectives.

Alex, what is ignoring woman's bodily autonomy?

I'm not saying that fireflies were correct. I'm saying they WERE going to make a vaccine/cure from Ellie based on in game logic and science. Based on Ellie's on words, that's what she wanted.

Does that make what they're doing good? No.

Right so you can accept that people can turn into Mushroom zombies. You can accept that one person mysteriously doesn't turn into mushroom zombie, but you can't accept that they can make a cure from that magical person for the magical mushroom zombie disease? That's the hill you want to die on?

No there weren't. That's a lie Joel told Ellie. She's only ever been the sole Immune person.

The fireflies did try making a vaccine out of other infected but never other immune people.

Don't know why this myth is still around.

In the real world? Yes It's fucked. This isn't the real world. We know Ellie waned to be the cure, and if you're going to ignore that you're no better then the Doc

Even if we went by real world logic, the minor's guardian would get final say on medical decisions, which would be Marlene. not Joel

Did the doctor ignore Ellie's wishes and choose to operate on her anyway? Absolutely. He should have gotten her consent but he didn't and he died for it.

Did Joel ruin a chance at a cure and murder innocent lives? And ignore Ellie's wishes? Absolutely, and he died for that too.

Right. It's an apocalypse. It's a fungus zombie apocalypse. You can't selectively apply real world science here. In this fictional zombie story, a fictional cure was going to be made from Ellie. She consented to it as an adult, and given the option, would have done so at 14.

I played both games multiple times. Ellie is brash and impulsive but also way smarter then a girl her age usually is due to her situation. She also confirms, as a 19 year-old, in the second game, that she wanted to be the cure for humanity, so clearly this wasn't an impulsive decision for her.

I mean we don't care that the 14 year-old kills infected monsters and other human beings...but we draw the line at her consenting to being the cure for humanity?

Yes, she should have had the say. Absolutely, but she DOES have her say. The second game is her having her say.

And both of them died for it.

This was 10 years ago but I went to Sheridan in Canada.

My main takeaway was the resources + constantly drawing daily improved my drawing skills like crazy and the networking was super helpful.

My student debt was also ‘only’ 30K and I paid it off so worth it for me personally.

You’re probably already going to do this but everyone I know who’s been always recomended just going into any pubs that have live music going. Always a good time apparently.

Also I’m super jealous! I’ve been wanting to go for years.

Putting my vote in to make that happen after work tonight.

The entire point of a moral dilemma is there is no “good” option. It’s a dilemma.

That’s what makes the ending of the first game so heavily discussed even to this day.

What Joel did wasn’t necessarily “good” or “bad” but it WAS understandable.

I mean is it an overly simplified example of a moral dilemma? Sure.

But considering how there’s still people saying things like “what Joel did is good actually because….” And then make up some excuse…maybe it wasn’t simplified enough.

I mean. Now you’re kinda just making stuff up lol. The franchise is really on the nose about Ellie being the only immune person and the only chance at the vaccine.

The entire premise of the first game absolutely hinges on this fact.

I’ve heard this mentioned a few times but have never found any of those records? I’ve played the game multiple times through. I think people just got confused because that’s the lie Joel told Ellie.

In the game it’s actually stated multiple times she was the only immune person that had.

I've played some amazing games before TLOU that I would definitely consider art (Journey, Bioshock, Dragon Age: Origins)

But I knew, even way back then, that TLOU would be a culture shift for video games and how they're viewed in the mainstream.

As other people have said, everyone starts somewhere,

But for me, I still remember the first time I played the first game, way back in 2013. There was a part that made me feel so much I had to put the controller down for 20 minutes because my hands were shaking too hard to continue.

The teacher is not "renaming" the student. The teacher is using the name the student asked to be called by.

If that's against the parent's wishes, then clearly the parents don't respect their own children.

You ARE being transphobic. You just don't have the guts to actually admit it.