@echo4
Former U.S. Marine from the East End of Long Island, New York. I use a nom de guerre to maintain my anonymity in an area where everyone knows everybody else. I am a good faith debater and consider all points of view. I focus on NatSec issues.
Our military is designed to work with allies. Many have great mine sweeping capabilities. DJT doesn’t like allies or joint… anything. So here we are.
But it’s another sign that the Navy had no idea that the White House was going to launch a major regional war.
Start to watch the story. This may be a Chinese exercise, but there are some odd elements about it. It’s probably nothing but it’s worth keeping an eye on.
This was literally my first thought as well.
Donald Trump has started a war of choice in the world’s vital energy sea lanes. Those sea lanes have a choke point. That chokepoint must be controlled.
There were always going to be consequences for electing Donald Trump. We have arrived at those consequences.
Apparently, there are ground options being considered. I still think they’ll try to avoid using those because of the cost in an election year. But at the end of the day… choices are limited in what began as a war of choice.
It is always either incompetence or corruption. This could be a mix.
It goes beyond that. The US Navy ia already overstretched and not large enough to support all of the missions it has around the world. This is now very long campaign that is just starting.- and will exist long after this president leaves office- will sap its limited resources. China wins.
And by the way, I want to be clear there’s no evidence that there’s a large ground operation about to happen.
Absolutely that’s what DJT et al would like. They need Putin’s help. Again.
The scale of the consequences and its implications I mean.
And- btw- major naval operations will be necessary in the Gulf long after the official cessation of hostilities. Years.
And this will draw away ships and logistics from the Pacific. The scale of this disastrous war is hard to overemphasize.
It’s not a palatable option from a political standpoint... especially in an election year. But the military reality is that ships can be sunk landmasses cannot. So we can open Hormuz but Iran *will* attrit ships over time. The only way to prevent this is by controlling the northern shore of Hormuz.
I suspect a lot of young Americans are aboard ships gathering around the Persian Gulf. Some may not be coming home. I hope folks remember they serve us… not the man in the Wh.
ffs… beyond cringe. Gross.
Usually not a good sign.
Opinion- Hormuz can be reopened. But not without losses of ships and crew. Then you have to keep it open. Likely more losses. The White House only now seems to be recognizing this. And long after a cease fire there will be a need for a large U.S. Navy presence drawing away from the Pacific.
The only way he does this is with boots on the ground. And probably a very violent landing somewhere.
Let’s just hope he’s talking out of his butt as usual. It’s close enough to taco Tuesday to declare it taco Tuesday. I think it’s taco Tuesday in theater so it counts
Saudi energy giant Aramco has begun reducing production at two of its oilfields, two sources said on Monday, as the US-Israeli war on Iran and subsequent attacks have disrupted traffic through the Strait of Hormuz.-Reuters
It makes the defensive job easier for the missile shooters. They don’t need much time to react. They just can’t be too far off axis of the incomings. Hence they like the ships close together and close to them.
Wait till he finds out that Iran may not end the war, even when they say so.
A senior Iranian official warns that the conflict involving Iran, Israel and the United States has entered a “new phase,” dismissing suggestions that the war could end soon and signaling possible retaliation targeting energy infrastructure across the region.-CNN
Is he hinting this may yet be brought to an end soon? But Iran may have other ideas. No matter what- the U.S. Navy is going to have to open Hormuz. It will be very very dangerous. Even if the air campaign ends tonight that will still be true. DJT no longer controls events as he did in the beginning
Yes, I’ll stay.
I actually don’t have a problem with people posting under their actual names.
I’m more concerned about what they might stuff into this bill that could undermine free speech.
A rudderless campaign without any actual objectives.
Iran has named Mojtaba Khamenei, son of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, as the country’s new Supreme Leader.-Iran State Media
In fact, they just have to have more ammunition than there are missiles to shoot them down.
And the Straits are quite narrow.
But on the other hand Hormuz it’s not a huge area. You can focus enough combat power to dominate it. But not without losses.
They’ll open it. it will take weeks w/losses
This is materially different than the Red Sea situation. Hormuz is quite narrow. At the end of the day, you can sink a warship, but you can’t sink a landmass. Iran has a natural advantage.
That said- the US Navy will open the straits. It’s a matter of when and at what cost? There will be losses.
An administration with any level of sanity, decency, intelligence and wisdom would ask regional/Iran experts (of which we have many) if there was a way to achieve our critical objectives short of bombing. And of course there is and was.
But we don’t have that kind of administration or leader.
