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I'm also aware of other headcanons about Tartaglia's family/age which are different from mine, which is why I say this is my approximation and not fact.

I mostly do this as an exercise for fun to see how true it is when we finally meet his family in Snezhnaya. That, I'm 100% sure will happen! 🥺

Teyvat has a floating timeline (the most consistent point of reference being the cataclysm "500 years ago"), often making age approximations relative to + dependent on other events, unless the age is explicitly stated.

1) Eldest brother (son #1, age >20)
2) Older brother (son #2, age >19)
3) [At least 1 eldest/older sister(s), age >19]
4) Ajax (son #3, age 19-20)
5) Tonia (age pre-teen to teen, leaning mature)
6) Teucer (age elementary to pre-teen, leaning youth)
7) Anthon (age >toddler)

There's no extensive info on Anthon except that he seems to be at a highly impressionable/dependent age, which suits the toddler-or-slightly-older bracket.

So, based on my own approximations, this is the most likely sibling hierarchy:

Tonia is old enough to be the caretaker of her younger siblings and Tartaglia's main correspondent, which puts her age in the teens or pre-teens. Teucer is old enough to read/write, speak well, and go to Liyue by himself, which makes him at least 6 but probably >8 yrs old.

Also, I say 19-20 as an age triangulated from several factors (fall into Abyss at 14 + subsequent Fatui enlistment, and back-calculating from being the youngest Harbinger despite Peruere becoming Harbinger at an earlier date than him when she was ~19 and is now ~27-29, and other smaller details).

It is likely he has 2 older brothers, because he is also called the 三子 (third son); however, there is a dearth of info on how many older sisters he has besides at least one. Their ages are unknown beyond being older than Tartaglia, so >19-20 yrs.

The older siblings have details missing in the EN version of Tartaglia's letters to home. In Chinese, he calls them 哥哥姐姐们

哥哥 - older brother
姐姐 - older sister
们 - [modifier for collective nouns]

meaning he has more than two older siblings (>1 older brother, and/or >1 older sister)

The younger three are known; Tonia is the 妹妹 (younger sister), and Teucer and Anthon are each a 弟弟 (younger brother).

In both EN/CN, Tartaglia has a father and a mother, his father (父亲 being the formal term for "father") being the one who sent him to the military post-Abyss-incident. Tartaglia is currently predicted to have at least 6 siblings, placing him as the exact/near middle child.

A happy birthday to Ajax/Tartaglia/Childe 🐳🎉💖

I'm still on semi-hiatus and don't have the capacity to make any long posts, so instead here's a little linguistic meta-analysis thread on his family composition based on what we know so far:

#genshinlore #达达利亚 #tartaglia

And about Ajax sharing his real name + past: I feel this is an example of soft-canon re: character stories. Sometimes the characters never tell us in dialogue, yet later on Traveler acts as if they did. It happens in both CN & EN, and I'm not particularly a fan of 'off-screen' characterization...

Don't mind me lurking on your page...
I'm considering writing a mini-post on EN vs CN of Skirk's SQ -- can't promise anything because my schedule is still a mess, but ideally I would like to cover some differences, including what you mentioned, plus martial arts terms🤔 SQ has more deviation than AQ.

Oops!! I may have spoiled it for you 😅 silly timezones indeed...

Thank you for reading 🥺

Oooo fellow scientist! 🤝 Your username makes so much sense now hehe

Time is absolutely a flat circle...Genshin try not to connect everything to cyclicality challenge [impossible]
I thought of the twin paradox too! And the grandfather paradox, except instead of birth, it's about choosing who to save

Your comment is so timely with today's birthday message from Yae Miko!! How she mentioned "Elysium," likely referring to Nod-Krai.... Perhaps it's not a true paradox but currently seems like it because we're limited to the Traveler's POV.

I think we're all collectively onto something 😎

OK SORRY I'm reviewing this thread and it feels like a spaghetti of thoughts... I hope this makes sense 😅

I want to conserve time/effort for in-depth posts, but I'm also still dealing with IRL struggles, so I'll just say I have many linguistic analyses cooking which will get written... eventually 🙏

And for more delusional speculation, I think the Travail Trailer's title of Khaenri'ah Chapter as "The Dream Yet to be Dreamed" means that, even if the Abyss Twin successfully finds a host for New Khaenri'ah, the opposing dreams of the twins will define Khaenri'ah's true fate in the final loop.

With the v5.7 lore, I continue to think this is a samsara, with the caveat that even though the ending is currently inescapable, each new loop alters events in such a way that it can influence future loops (or even past loops, if the future intervenes in a recursive event).

If you want to know my theory, I have always believed Aether and Lumine are stuck in a samsara in an attempt to break the destiny of Teyvat's fate. This was originally based on their CN names Kong 空 and Ying 荧 ("space" and "light"), being fundamental Daoist elements of creation (i.e. writing fate).

Direidyth is likely not only the link between the twins across space-time, but also potentially evidence there are additional dimensions (like a higher-level of space-time where Istaroth exists) that may explain the many paradoxes / anomalies / gaps in logic in this quest.

And, as many people have pointed out, Direidyth is suspicious:
- the flower in her hair looks different from the Inteyvat
- the timeline of her search for the Savior doesn't add up considering the Abyss Twin's presence in Khaenri'ah right before the cataclysm
- she questions the stars and fake sky

One line I think is particularly meaningful is where the Abyss Twin presents two possibilities:
Keep key -> traveler controls fate -> twins remain separate
Give key -> abyss twin controls fate -> twins reunite

Direidyth gets a key no matter what, but the difference is who chooses to give her it.

If a time loop/samsara: Is it one space-time that repeats, or both/all? There is an old/original Khaenri'ah, and a New Khaenri'ah -- does that suggest the new space-time can replace or be superimposed upon the old?

‼️ I know this feels like a rehash of things you already know, but my point is, regardless of if you believe it's a samsara, time loop, bubble universe, etc, it has to reconcile the canon fact, as stated in the quest title and proven in-game, that multiple space-times coexist, at least at that time.

And proof of influence we HAVE seen (most tangibly with the spaceship key from Abyss Twin to Traveler, 500 years apart in cataclysm vs present). Meaning that more than one space-time simultaneously existed, but they are connected (as far as we know) only through that instance of the twins meeting.

If two objects (i.e. two twins) exist in DIFFERENT space-times, do you think they still share a connection, i.e. have the ability to influence each other? The answer is no if those space-times are isolated and yes if there is proof of influence (either directly or through another dimension).

which leads us to 🅱️:
What does the AQ title mean?

Consider that all objects in space-time are inherently connected by virtue of being on the same plot. On top of that, Dainsleif once said twins share a special connection.

But it is the time dimension that complicates things, because we've seen instances of non-regular time-passage:
- time distortion in the Abyss
- Mavuika's time travel (not true time travel bc it was more like hibernation)
- Sacred Sakura being planted in the past
- Ley Lines bridging past + future