Differing political definitions of patriotism
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Sir, Melanie Phillips expresses a very specific and slightly odd definition of patriotism as "love for the Crown, the armed forces and the common law, and attachment to faith, family and flag" ("Sorry Keir, you don't understand patriotism",
, comment, Sep 30). Perhaps that is why she concludes that Nigel Farage offers βthe only patriotic force on the horizon". Personally, I regard
someone who had a very direct hand in diminishing the United Kingdom's
GDP by 4 per cent β as a direct result of our leaving the European Union β as confirming Samuel
Johnson's much-quoted remark that
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel". Acts rather than words
still count for some of us.
Shaun Leavey
Sherborne, Dorset
Sir, Over thousands of years these islands have been invaded and occupied by various tribes, who, at any given moment, represented some kind of "Englishness".
"In 300 years'
time there might well be another kind of "Englishness", doubtless defending itself from the incursion of escapees from another foreign disaster, and claiming a threat to its purity". We were never pure, and attempts such as the present one to somehow freeze a manufactured notion of "Englishness" are doomed to failure.
Jerry Stuart
London SEI
Sir, There is a fundamental flaw in Melanie Phillips's article. She talks of British patriotism as "attachment to faith, family and flag".
Β°. She doesn't
indicate which faith she is referring to, but presumably means the Christian faith as the traditional faith in Britain. However, the faith of Jesus of Nazareth shares much more common ground with the values she seems to dismiss - decency, reasonableness and compassion - than it does with the militarism and flag-waving she seems to endorse. I surely cannot be the only person getting worried when the Christian faith is conscripted into the support of strident nationalism.
The Rev Paul Dowling
βThat Brexit has made control of immigration more difficult, damaged our economy and weakened opportunities for future generations should make people think twice before putting Brexit's chief proponent in charge of running the countryβ
Times letters: a lonely oasis of sanity in the far right storm.
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The number of people who go bankrupt every year because of medical bills.
Norway - 0
UK - 0
France - 0
Spain - 0
Portugal - 0
Denmark - 0
Australia - 0
Iceland - 0
Italy - 0
Finland - 0
Ireland - 0
Germany - 0
Netherlands - 0
Sweden - 0
Japan - 0
Canada - 0
United States - 643k
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Indeed. As Yeats put it in The Second Coming:
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity
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Do you know how much CEO pay has skyrocketed since 1978?
100%? 500%?
Try 1,085%
Meanwhile, the $7.25/hr fed. minimum wage hasn't budged in 15 years and the tipped min. wage has been $2.13/hr since 1991.
This is what I mean when I say the system is rigged.
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This is some sick shit
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world's wealth distribution chart
47 claims the entire world is taking advantage of the US, but we have 32% of the worldβs wealth, generate 26% of the worldβs GDP, and only have 4% of the worldβs population
We have a wealth DISTRIBUTION problem
Raise the min wage
Give us universal healthcare
Create federal job-training programs
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LIVE: Cory Booker speaks on the Senate floor
YouTube video by Associated Press
Oh my God, I just had a full nightβs sleep and Cory Booker is still goingβ¦
www.youtube.com/live/rCUK2Vb...
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Why arenβt you wearing a suit?
Have you said βThank youβ to Greenland and Denmark for allowing you to have a base on Greenland?
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Picture of Pete Hegseth. American Defence Secretary.
"Hey! We're doing beers tonight at Shenanigans! Are you guys in? Oh by the way...we're bombing Yemen!"
#DangerousBamOfTheDAy
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#kokako issue 42 is out kokako10.wordpress.com/current-issue/ Thank you editor-in-chief Graham Bates for putting together a lovely big collection of poets I admire.
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maga???
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This Scottish City Just Banned SUV And Airline Ads. Hereβs Why
Advertisements for flights, gas-guzzling SUVS and cruises will no longer be permitted under a city ruling described as "historic" by campaigners.
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Edinburgh Just Banned SUV and Airline Ads
We need to take urgent #ClimateAction to avoid the worst of #ClimateChange!
What action is your city taking to beat climate change?
Hereβs why: forbes.com/sites/davidrvett...
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via @Forbes @davidrvetter @Edinburgh_CC
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If you want your country to stop arming Israel.
RT/Like this post.
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I'm slow today. Just got it!
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The guy whose daddy bought his way into Wharton, the guy whose grades were so shitty he's never disclosed them β that guy just destroyed the Department of Education. This is what dystopia looks like. This is what Fascism looks like.
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Ahead of Germanyβs election, with anti-immigrant sentiment rising, they released viral videos showing life without immigrants.
History proves that when a country starts erasing certain people, it doesnβt end well.
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βTo achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them.β
- Russian presidential aide Nikolay Patrushev Nov. 11, 2024
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Follow Heather Cox Richardson @hcrichardson.bluesky.social
I follow Heather and Alt National Park Services on FB. Both excellent for articulating daily developments & consequences.
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This has been echoing through my head since 2016 and with the apparent inaction of the US Democrats the last two lines of the first verse are particularly pertinent.
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