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kind of insightful tbh

that is also what these chatbots are, effectively. models.

tbh I think most of the holograms were created on the spot using existing data

honestly I think it was a fair bit of both. historical figures tended to be used as info bots more than conversation partners, but fictional characters were in holonovels meant to give people the chance to act out fantasies of being some sort of hero

and "do those rights change based on whether we *know* the person" or how long they've been dead

right, I mean, I think we've all thought something like that would be cool. but I'm curious why we've never questioned that kind of thing til now. what is it about it that doesn't raise that moral question

but yeah, "do the dead have rights" is ultimately the question

right! but why was Star Trek comfortable with it? Why didn't Star Trek writers question it - what is it about famous people that made it feel intuitively okay, but living people felt questionable enough to get the sci fi moral quandary treatment?

on the other hand, famous people still have family. If your deceased family member is famous, does that on its own give other people the right to create AI avatars of them?

I'm still not sure how I feel about that, even with famous people

hence the question - are we going in a direction where "it's fine, but you have to wait til they've been dead for 50 years"?

right - what's interesting to me is that these days we *are* seeing people argue that AI models of dead famous people is bad. I think I saw an article recently where a relative of a dead actor was saying that people have been sending her ai videos of their dead relative and was distressed by it

yeah, I've heard good things - just never got around to it

One of the main reasons I don't use AI is that you have to fact-check every single thing it gives you and by the time I do that, I could have just done the research myself.

I have not yet

Barclay and also Geordi had episodes about that, and it was also touched on briefly in DS9. again, about living people who they all eventually met

i would genuinely like to talk about this

so...idk. was star trek wrong. was data evil for creating his holographic scientists

right! and...I think it's starting to bother people now. But it never bothered people when it was a hypothetical. which is fascinating.

and I think what's interesting to me about this question is, again, that Star Trek writers didn't think to ask it when they could have.

and it also makes me wonder if we'll eventually see a sort of statute of limitations of, say, 100 years on using data to create an AI representation of someone

or is it because it *does* feel intuitively fine to dehumanize someone who's effectively already dehumanized by their status as, like, famous/a symbol? Does generating an AI model of a famous person actually humanize them more?

and it's curious to me that the creators never thought about the first scenario, whereas now I think people *are* skeptical of the idea of creating real people.

Is this because Star Trek was in a postcapitalist future where the question of exploiting someone's work wasn't as robust a question?

okok I need to talk about this

Star Trek has effectively had AI versions of people for the entire time that it exists.

it's interesting to me that as a show, Star Trek never questioned whether that was unethical.

What they did question was the ethics of generating a hologram of someone living

society if burgers came without cheese by default

tbh this is why I've gotten so much out of swing dancing. it's a space where I can show up and I don't have to have conversations, but i can

big mood

doing a step tap while bouncing to the beat will work with basically any style of American popular music and most social dances at their simplest can be boiled down to that

in fairness I only really go to designated partner dance stuff, which is a different vibe

but if you're out on the dance floor with friends at a bar/club or whatever, you can just step back and forth and feel the beat

step tap step tap

anyway i started death note today and i'm frankly shocked at how quickly it hooked me

i keep thinking about watching more anime - i think all i've watched is mha, Naruto, and FMA brotherhood