Justin Sanity

If it waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's an ISSTD hypno-therapist!
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👍 BSA! Those scout boy assassins were vicious! Chew your ankles right off!

>If O'Neill is quoting Scheflin accurately, that's a dramatic reversal of his opinion from 1979.

>I'm sure O'Neill must have recorded this conversation, he seems to cover his tracks pretty well.
But there's a chapter in "Mind Manipulators" devoted to a detailed analysis of Manson, his Family and the murders. Scheflin repeatedly states, he doesn't think it was a genuine example of brainwashing>

Final comment on Tom O'Neill's "Chaos"
O'Neill asked Alan Scheflin, author of "The Mind Manipulators", this;
“Do you think Manson was a CIA experiment gone wrong? Do you think Manson somehow had access to what the CIA was doing?” and Scheflin replies; "I think it was an experiment gone right.”>

That Dr. Estabrooks...he's a bit of a nutter - the gas, you know - but he means well! 😆
My own Grandfather was Black Watch in WW1, and gassed during an attack. Apparently he wandered the French countryside, not knowing where he was or who he was, for quite awhile before a "friendly" found him.

>and which forced him to leave the military career that he was very proud of.
Among the psychological maladies occurring with greater frequency among mustard gas victims than the rest of population? obsessive-compulsive, paranoid ideation, and episodic psychosis

>Why did these men, prominent in their fields, tolerate Dr. Estabrooks "stalking" them by mail? Because they also knew and understood that he was 100% sincere in his desire to be helpful, and that he was a WW1 veteran who suffered a tragic exposure to mustard gas that almost killed him>

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>Estabrooks had some obsessive compulsions, one of which was writing letters to them. Yet another Estabrooks trait, known and understood by correspondents, was paranoid fantasies - primarily about "commies" and potential plots by communist subversives, that could be uncovered/ foiled by hypnosis>

>was known and understood by many of the voluminous persons associated with law enforcement, military, and intelligence agencies, whom Estabrooks wrote letters to regularly. (J Edgar Hoover being one, famously)
Regularly? Obsessively, actually, and that's another known trait of his>

>and claimed that he, Estabrooks, was working for the FBI.
Ooops! The boy's father ratted him out to local FBI field division, and Estabrooks was officially "advised" to "refrain from giving the impression he is associated with FBI".
That Dr. Estabrooks sometimes said things that were not true>

G.H. Estabrooks was a "mind control' fantasist.
Estabrooks made many claims, about what he had done using hypnosis.
But Dr. Estabrooks sometimes said things that were provably not true. For example, in 1942 Estabrooks tried to recruit one of his psychology students to "do undercover work for him">

"Hello, police? The peasants are revolting!"
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Is anyone surprised? Shouldn't be.

>Most of the well-known claims, about creating hypnotic couriers, about 'splitting' soldiers personalities by hypnosis, (creating two persons in one body and neither aware that the other existed), etc, referenced in discussions of MKUltra are from Estabrooks. Whether attributed to him or not>

>Colin Ross said* "Dr. Estabrooks is the only psychiatrist or psychologist to have claimed in public that he created Manchurian Candidates" [* The CIA Doctors]
Estabrooks claimed many things, about what could be done by hypnosis and what he had personally done by hypnosis>

G.H. Estabrooks and the "programmed assassins" red herrings
George Hoben Estabrooks was a Canadian-American psychologist, a Harvard University graduate, a Rhodes Scholar, and chairman of the Department of Psychology at Colgate University.

And he created Manchurian Candidates. Or did he?

Mr. Elon Musk - my family and I greatly enjoyed your last exploding rocket display! Please give the date for the next one, and what vantage point will be best for viewing it?
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LUV historic cases. Thanks!

I like Law Enforcement Officers, generally. I thank them for their service.

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WOW! Totally fascinating!
Hope I'll get to read it at some point.

>The hypnosis was unnecessary, there were many other ways to achieve that 'undermining' of moral principles.
And zombie-fied persons, by hypnosis or by drugs, had problems carrying out more complex instructions-commands. Forget about having one fly a plane, just driving a car was unsafe.

>For the record, the conclusion was - yes, you could get a hypnotized subject to do things contrary to their basic moral principles. But, as demonstrated by the Milgram experiment (1961) you could, also, just by telling them to do it!>

- Can we create, by post-hypnotic control, an action contrary to a person's basic moral principles?
-Could we...by post-hypnotic control have him [a subject] crash an airplane, wreck a train, etc.?
CIA experiments of that nature, prior to MKUltra, are the root of that myth

>That's a popular and widespread belief, that the MKUltra program was about creating "Manchurian Candidate" assassins. It's also FALSE!
An earlier program, Bluebird, initiated in 1951, was charged to investigate things like>

People magazine: "Was Charles Manson a CIA Puppet to Create Killing Machines Using Mind Control?" states;
"Around that same time, [when Jolie was recruiting subjects from Haight Ashbury Free Medical Clinic] O’Neill claims, the CIA was studying how to create “programmed assassins.”

Tom O'Neill's Chaos, Manson, and MKUltra
Tom O'Neill said:* "I think there is a good likelihood that Manson is a product of MKUltra, whether he was knowledgeable about it or not".
But what is that supposed to mean; "a product of" MKUltra?
[* Jacobin. com]