@svelte.dev devs / Svelte-curious folks - join us for a live session with the team!
I'll be chatting with @rich-harris.dev, @ell.iott.dev and @dummdidumm.bsky.social + @eveporcello.com to share more on @vercel.com Academy.
Thursday 12th March, 10AM PST
community.vercel.com/live/34169-c...
ok tell me more about these 'calculations'. because i think you are missing the point. we are talking about _language models_ with context window constraints — a preference for concise, human-understandable abstractions is basically written into their DNA
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not merely a good framework but an excellent framework. just not the _best_ framework 😎
hiring managers making decisions based on some half-remembered linkedin hustleslop probably aren't the most sophisticated individuals. but it's their funeral, commitment to legacy technology in an era of free rewrites is a competitive disadvantage
clown event still possible
you'd have to ask them, but it sounds like it overlaps a lot with the `svelte-core-bestpractices` skill we just released, which pulls from svelte.dev/docs/svelte/...
(we may add more docs-powered best practices skills in future, e.g. for SvelteKit)
myth: LLM-assisted coding means everyone is forced to use The Popular Framework forever
reality: agents will happily migrate your entire app to The Good Framework
inertia is a powerful drug but we are entering a world without moats, plan accordingly
strawberrybrowser.com/blog/react-t...
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if you noticed your svelte build/lint/whatever times just got faster, this is why. such a concrete demonstration of the value of open source
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This evening, @paolo.ricciuti.me will join @codetv.dev's The Web Dev Podcast to talk about our work on the Svelte Custom Renderers Initiative! Check it out if you’re interested in rendering beyond the DOM with Svelte 🙌
Tune in at 18:30 CET 👉 www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPac...
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yep. i see a lot of 'people i used to respect have been brainwashed by the AI cult' lamentations and it's frustrating to see the exact reverse phenomenon — extremely smart people whose critical faculties have apparently been neutered by seething hatred of anything AI-adjacent
(unless it's not a new abstraction layer but something categorically different, which is an interesting topic but something I would have to be convinced of, I think)
Yeah that's fair. Totally possible that the job is much more about writing specifications in future (which, ugh, booooring). I'm just disputing the idea that this new abstraction layer will bypass the existing layers. That's not how abstraction layers work 😁
certainly possible. rule no. 1 is that nobody knows anything. i just don't see any reason to actively prefer the hypothesis that agents will choose goop over the 'curated opinions' that they've already demonstrated competence with
i would argue you're conflating 'more complex' and 'faster'. regardless: given limited context windows, and the availability of documentation and examples, agents operating within structures will always outperform free-range ones, even if the free-range ones could outperform humans
LLMs are excellent pattern-matchers. Phrased differently: they excel when presented with patterns
If the code is unmaintainable by humans but maintainable by agents, then there's an implicit premise: that agents aren't just faster/less fussy/less lazy than humans, they're superintelligent. To me it veers into magical thinking
meta-frameworks provide two things:
1) missing pieces in the underlying technology/platform
2) structure/opinion
both are lumped together as 'DX' but they're almost opposite. 1) will indeed inevitably flatten. for you, 2) is a distraction, but for me that's where the real excitement begins
au contraire — dropping next is _so_ contentious that vinext had to be created. that's because the structure/conventions/opinions (the bit that we/agents actually code against) are where the value lies. i don't think that's just 'stopgap' (though flattening is undeniably occurring)
maybe i'm biased but i think the precise opposite is true. what agents crave is structure. left to their own devices they will happily generate unmaintainable goop. libraries? pfft they don't bother with libraries half the time, they just write their own
cc @paolo.ricciuti.me @jyc.dev — generally I've found them pretty good at figuring out non-interactive mode, but clearly it's not bullet-proof
kylo ren yelling MORE
guessed why this had happened, checked, was not disappointed
i would say that this genre of issue has now jumped the shark, but presumably that's also forbidden
Why do I have to pretend that I'm going to print something in order to save it as a PDF. Why do I have to engage in a little ruse.
we try! we often reference the W3C's Priority of Constituencies www.w3.org/TR/design-pr...
